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		<title>By: tom p</title>
		<link>http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2005/03/29/christian-voice-begs-for-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-561</link>
		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seen it, refuted it. shall we move over there then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seen it, refuted it. shall we move over there then?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Shell</title>
		<link>http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2005/03/29/christian-voice-begs-for-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-546</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom-
See my comments under the 1.4.05 &#039;news item&#039;.</description>
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See my comments under the 1.4.05 &#8216;news item&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
		<link>http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2005/03/29/christian-voice-begs-for-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-513</link>
		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is certainly unreasonable to claim that some all-seeing all-knowing all-doing being created the universe in the last 6 thousand years or that any kind of &quot;god&quot; has had any role in any of our lives.

However, it certainly is reasonable to wonder where the energy for the big bang came from.

However, the fact that nobody knows does not make your claim that it&#039;s &quot;god&quot; true. One thoery being worng or unproven does not mean that another is necessarily correct.

You assert that the universe was created by god and ask &#039;if not god, then how?&#039; (I paraphrase). This is a fair question, but the exactly equal counter-question is &quot;how did &quot;god&quot; come into being?&quot;). If you&#039;re saying that the scientific theories of the universe are necessarily invalid because we have as yet no answer for what occurred prior to a particular point, then you must also accept that your beliefs are necessarily invalid because you have no answer to what came before &quot;god&quot;.

You&#039;re also creating another straw man by claiming that the answer given by non-gullibles to how the universe came into being is &quot;‘It just happened’&quot;. That&#039;s not our position and you know it. Grow up and try to argue like the doctor you claim to be. By the way, what &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; you a doctor in?

Oh, and vicars keeping parish records seems to me to be a perfect example of conmen keeping a database.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is certainly unreasonable to claim that some all-seeing all-knowing all-doing being created the universe in the last 6 thousand years or that any kind of &#8220;god&#8221; has had any role in any of our lives.</p>
<p>However, it certainly is reasonable to wonder where the energy for the big bang came from.</p>
<p>However, the fact that nobody knows does not make your claim that it&#8217;s &#8220;god&#8221; true. One thoery being worng or unproven does not mean that another is necessarily correct.</p>
<p>You assert that the universe was created by god and ask &#8216;if not god, then how?&#8217; (I paraphrase). This is a fair question, but the exactly equal counter-question is &#8220;how did &#8220;god&#8221; come into being?&#8221;). If you&#8217;re saying that the scientific theories of the universe are necessarily invalid because we have as yet no answer for what occurred prior to a particular point, then you must also accept that your beliefs are necessarily invalid because you have no answer to what came before &#8220;god&#8221;.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re also creating another straw man by claiming that the answer given by non-gullibles to how the universe came into being is &#8220;‘It just happened’&#8221;. That&#8217;s not our position and you know it. Grow up and try to argue like the doctor you claim to be. By the way, what <i>are</i> you a doctor in?</p>
<p>Oh, and vicars keeping parish records seems to me to be a perfect example of conmen keeping a database.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Shell</title>
		<link>http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2005/03/29/christian-voice-begs-for-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-471</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes - I believe that the best conmen keep a &#039;gullibles&#039; database!!

If someone told unusual stories about your birth, would that make your entire life imaginary?

&#039;God is clearly imaginary&#039;? It&#039;s not so simple to explain the origin of our enormous universe that has more stars than grains of sand. &#039;It just happened&#039;? How? Youre surely not saying that everything (but everything) has no explanation. There is nothing within the observable universe that has the capacity to create nonexistent matter or energy. It&#039;s therefore reasonable to suppose the existence of Someone or Something that has that ability.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8211; I believe that the best conmen keep a &#8216;gullibles&#8217; database!!</p>
<p>If someone told unusual stories about your birth, would that make your entire life imaginary?</p>
<p>&#8216;God is clearly imaginary&#8217;? It&#8217;s not so simple to explain the origin of our enormous universe that has more stars than grains of sand. &#8216;It just happened&#8217;? How? Youre surely not saying that everything (but everything) has no explanation. There is nothing within the observable universe that has the capacity to create nonexistent matter or energy. It&#8217;s therefore reasonable to suppose the existence of Someone or Something that has that ability.</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
		<link>http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2005/03/29/christian-voice-begs-for-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-464</link>
		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can jeebus be imaginary? Well, it&#039;s claimed that he was conceived by a virgin impregnated (some would say raped, since she was clearly unaware of it until informed by an angel) by a holy spirit. I&#039;d say that that&#039;s a pretty good reason why your so-called jesus could be considered imaginary. Of course, it&#039;s pretty obvious that I was talking about your so-called god, who is clearly imaginary.

And as for the word few, it merely denotes an unspecified number. I&#039;m not surprised that there&#039;s said to be 1-2 x10^9 gullibles around. After all, as every good conman knows, there&#039;s one born every minute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can jeebus be imaginary? Well, it&#8217;s claimed that he was conceived by a virgin impregnated (some would say raped, since she was clearly unaware of it until informed by an angel) by a holy spirit. I&#8217;d say that that&#8217;s a pretty good reason why your so-called jesus could be considered imaginary. Of course, it&#8217;s pretty obvious that I was talking about your so-called god, who is clearly imaginary.</p>
<p>And as for the word few, it merely denotes an unspecified number. I&#8217;m not surprised that there&#8217;s said to be 1-2 x10^9 gullibles around. After all, as every good conman knows, there&#8217;s one born every minute.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Shell</title>
		<link>http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2005/03/29/christian-voice-begs-for-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-435</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes: &#039;sacred&#039; does not mean precisely the same as &#039;precious&#039;. However, their meanings overlap. For example, in the phrase &#039;Is nothing sacred?&#039; (the phrase which Stephen Green had in mind), &#039;sacred&#039; is used less in the sense &#039;holy&#039; than in the sense &#039;worthy of respect&#039;, &#039;valuable&#039; - which comes close to the meaning of &#039;precious&#039;.

How can people like Jesus and Mary be &#039;imaginary&#039;? By that logic, in 2000 years you and I would be imaginary.

Dont you think your use of &#039;a few&#039; is disingenuous? Most stats put the world Christian population at 1-2 thousand million. What is is that motivates you to minimise statistics? Whatever it is, it is certainly no concern for accuracy, &amp; it&#039;s that which troubles me in a truth-seeking debate. :o( </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes: &#8216;sacred&#8217; does not mean precisely the same as &#8216;precious&#8217;. However, their meanings overlap. For example, in the phrase &#8216;Is nothing sacred?&#8217; (the phrase which Stephen Green had in mind), &#8216;sacred&#8217; is used less in the sense &#8216;holy&#8217; than in the sense &#8216;worthy of respect&#8217;, &#8216;valuable&#8217; &#8211; which comes close to the meaning of &#8216;precious&#8217;.</p>
<p>How can people like Jesus and Mary be &#8216;imaginary&#8217;? By that logic, in 2000 years you and I would be imaginary.</p>
<p>Dont you think your use of &#8216;a few&#8217; is disingenuous? Most stats put the world Christian population at 1-2 thousand million. What is is that motivates you to minimise statistics? Whatever it is, it is certainly no concern for accuracy, &amp; it&#8217;s that which troubles me in a truth-seeking debate. <img src='http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> (</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
		<link>http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2005/03/29/christian-voice-begs-for-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-432</link>
		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, his point is that his imaginary friend (the one he shares with you and a few others, although Green does seem to think that they&#039;re particularly special friends) should be treated with reverence by everyone, whether they happen to have this imaginary frined or not.

Sacred, as pointed out above, does not mean precious</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, his point is that his imaginary friend (the one he shares with you and a few others, although Green does seem to think that they&#8217;re particularly special friends) should be treated with reverence by everyone, whether they happen to have this imaginary frined or not.</p>
<p>Sacred, as pointed out above, does not mean precious</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Christopher Shell</title>
		<link>http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2005/03/29/christian-voice-begs-for-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-416</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Christopher Shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly! Stephen Green&#039;s point is that precious things are being treated as though they were not precious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly! Stephen Green&#8217;s point is that precious things are being treated as though they were not precious.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2005/03/29/christian-voice-begs-for-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Sacred \Sa&quot;cred\, a. [Originally p. p. of OE. sacren to
	consecrate, F. sacrer, fr. L. sacrare, fr. sacer sacred,
	holy, cursed. Cf. {Consecrate}, {Execrate}, {Saint},
	{Sexton}.]
	1. Set apart by solemn religious ceremony; especially, in a good sense, made holy; set apart to religious use;
		consecrated; not profane or common; as, a sacred place; a
		sacred day; sacred service.
		[1913 Webster]
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nope. &lt;strong&gt;Precious&lt;/strong&gt;, yes; &lt;strong&gt;sacred&lt;/strong&gt;, no.</description>
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Sacred \Sa&#8221;cred\, a. [Originally p. p. of OE. sacren to<br />
	consecrate, F. sacrer, fr. L. sacrare, fr. sacer sacred,<br />
	holy, cursed. Cf. {Consecrate}, {Execrate}, {Saint},<br />
	{Sexton}.]<br />
	1. Set apart by solemn religious ceremony; especially, in a good sense, made holy; set apart to religious use;<br />
		consecrated; not profane or common; as, a sacred place; a<br />
		sacred day; sacred service.<br />
		[1913 Webster]
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<p>Nope. <strong>Precious</strong>, yes; <strong>sacred</strong>, no.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Christopher Shell</title>
		<link>http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2005/03/29/christian-voice-begs-for-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Christopher Shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Gav, the lives of your family members are not sacred?</description>
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