Comments on: Fitna up and down in a day

By: NoJags Neil

NoJags Neil — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:37:17 +0000

@Anne R Key:
True. But aren’t you worried about the appeasers? Appeasing the islamofascists has not worked and will not work, just as it didn’t work with Hitler. Defending our right to have an opinion simply *has* to be defended. If we don’t do it then the right-wingers like Wilders, the BNP, and UKIP will do it. Ordinary, middle-of-the-road people like my father and his father before him ended up having to go to war because appeasement didn’t work the last time.

(It’s back up on Live Leak, BTW. Good for them.)

By: Anne R Key

Anne R Key — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:04:01 +0000

I’m no friend of religion and especially not radicalised politico-religious fanatics.

But it’s ironic that Geert Wilders (who wants to ban Islam from the Netherlands – doesn’t that sound rather censorious to you?) can say anything whatsoever about censorship!

To be honest, he’s every bit as fascist and confrontational as the radical Islamists, and he wants the “clash of the civilisations” to arrive every bit as much as they do too.

Two sides of the same coin and two faces of the same fascism and deliberate warmongering if you ask me. Fuck them both, because without religious nutters and without authoritarian power-mad politicians, we’d be two steps closer to creating peace on Earth.

By: Andy Armitage

Andy Armitage — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:37:47 +0000

Yes, unsubtle, yes, propaganda, and, yes, predictable. I think more was said by the mere fact of his making the film (and threatening to release it) than by the film itself. Perhaps it was a social experiment (as if one were needed!) to show how certain elements within politics and religion would go into a hissy fit about religions’ rights not to be “offended”. Must say, I got the impression that Wilders copped out of actually showing a tearing of a page from the Koran, though I may be wrong.

By: Phil

Phil — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:20:41 +0000

Did I miss MWW writing about this?

http://blogs.salon.com/0003494/2008/03/28.html

By: marvin

marvin — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:15:41 +0000

“reporting the hate speech of others cannot in itself constitute hate speech.”

Exactly.

By: Aharon

Aharon — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:19:22 +0000

I have seen the film, thanks mww, its a pretty high dose of right-wing, fear provoking, not ver subtle nor clever piece of propaganda. In this way, it reminded me of the films that their Islamic counterparts produce, where, for example, “the west” is out to get the “muslim world” any day now.. (You can find these on archive.org by searching iraq, al-qaida, jihad, and other such terms..)

All in all, it’s just the old fear tactic – be afraid, be very afraid – now give me your money/vote/life – as I am the only one who can ever save your soul.

Tickets anyone?

By: septicisle

septicisle — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:25:04 +0000

Religious clerics in saying unpleasant things shocker! The hype for this truly pathetic piece of propaganda has been staggering – there’s far better unsubtle dissections of radical Islam all over the net, just they’re not produced by populist politicians with high opinions of themselves. That said, if just one Muslim thinks there’s anything worth getting upset about in the film, then he’s proved his point.

By: marc draco

marc draco — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:06:36 +0000

Well, that was unpleasant viewing but nothing that I hadn’t seen before – some of it had been censored (just as well).

Irony was meant for Islam.