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	<title>Comments on: Hell Avoidance 2.0</title>
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	<description>Watching. Pointing. Laughing.</description>
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		<title>By: Stonyground</title>
		<link>http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2009/08/18/hell-avoidance-2-0/comment-page-1/#comment-180318</link>
		<dc:creator>Stonyground</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashley, after reading your post and giving it some thought I think that you are correct. Obsessive compulsive disorder is a mental condition that affects some individuals for reasons that are not fully understood and certainly not understood by me. The compulsive behaviour involved in religions is, as you correctly point out, a different thing altogether and a result of indoctrination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashley, after reading your post and giving it some thought I think that you are correct. Obsessive compulsive disorder is a mental condition that affects some individuals for reasons that are not fully understood and certainly not understood by me. The compulsive behaviour involved in religions is, as you correctly point out, a different thing altogether and a result of indoctrination.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Grosvenor</title>
		<link>http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2009/08/18/hell-avoidance-2-0/comment-page-1/#comment-180315</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Grosvenor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashley,

I fully agree.  However there are times when, after what can feel like a lifetime of trying to objectively and diplomatically reason with the religious to absolutely no avail, you just have to scream and vent a little bit to save you from going insane.  This is my outlet.

&quot;You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place.&quot; Jonathan Swift</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashley,</p>
<p>I fully agree.  However there are times when, after what can feel like a lifetime of trying to objectively and diplomatically reason with the religious to absolutely no avail, you just have to scream and vent a little bit to save you from going insane.  This is my outlet.</p>
<p>&#8220;You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place.&#8221; Jonathan Swift</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley Frieze</title>
		<link>http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2009/08/18/hell-avoidance-2-0/comment-page-1/#comment-180314</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley Frieze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 08:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference between an individual&#039;s obsessive behaviour and that of a whole religion comes down to conditioning. Religions are, as a whole, conditioned into the offspring from birth. This makes matters a bit more complex.

Even if you disagree with someone&#039;s beliefs and the way they lead their lives, I think it&#039;s worth doing things like getting your facts straight and taking an objective stance with perspective. It&#039;s easy to spout polemic and ridicule - in fact, that&#039;s how some religious leaders function. Surely the role of the non-religious is to be grounded in logic and perspective?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference between an individual&#8217;s obsessive behaviour and that of a whole religion comes down to conditioning. Religions are, as a whole, conditioned into the offspring from birth. This makes matters a bit more complex.</p>
<p>Even if you disagree with someone&#8217;s beliefs and the way they lead their lives, I think it&#8217;s worth doing things like getting your facts straight and taking an objective stance with perspective. It&#8217;s easy to spout polemic and ridicule &#8211; in fact, that&#8217;s how some religious leaders function. Surely the role of the non-religious is to be grounded in logic and perspective?</p>
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		<title>By: Twitted by Dominority</title>
		<link>http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2009/08/18/hell-avoidance-2-0/comment-page-1/#comment-180306</link>
		<dc:creator>Twitted by Dominority</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Stonyground</title>
		<link>http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2009/08/18/hell-avoidance-2-0/comment-page-1/#comment-180297</link>
		<dc:creator>Stonyground</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any individual who indulged in such pointless obsessive behaviour would be diagnosed as being mentally ill. Just because these people have an ancient tradition to point to when justifying their irrational behaviour does not, in my opinion, make them any different.

As for respect, if anyone wants my respect they have to earn it. I&#039;m afraid that these people have not done so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any individual who indulged in such pointless obsessive behaviour would be diagnosed as being mentally ill. Just because these people have an ancient tradition to point to when justifying their irrational behaviour does not, in my opinion, make them any different.</p>
<p>As for respect, if anyone wants my respect they have to earn it. I&#8217;m afraid that these people have not done so.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela_K</title>
		<link>http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2009/08/18/hell-avoidance-2-0/comment-page-1/#comment-180296</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela_K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of the world&#039;s religions show much respect for each other, none for non-believers and outright hatred of gays, so why should any reasonable person have respect for religionists? The &quot;Hell Avoidance&quot; article illustrates quite clearly the hypocrisy of Jews and other sky fairy followers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of the world&#8217;s religions show much respect for each other, none for non-believers and outright hatred of gays, so why should any reasonable person have respect for religionists? The &#8220;Hell Avoidance&#8221; article illustrates quite clearly the hypocrisy of Jews and other sky fairy followers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley Frieze</title>
		<link>http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2009/08/18/hell-avoidance-2-0/comment-page-1/#comment-180295</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley Frieze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not in favour of censorship for all. I&#039;m not a believer in ancient laws. However, I think your article was needlessly provocative, given what these guys have done. Here are a few things I&#039;d point out.

1. Jews don&#039;t believe in hellfire and damnation, the reason they follow laws is to get closer to their god.
2. Finding an &quot;ingenious workaround&quot; to a religious law is a very Jewish thing to do, though in this case I think they&#039;ve actually missed the point - if you care enough about a religious way of conducting yourself, then surely you don&#039;t work around it.
3. If you think of censorship as a way to stop people talking, then it&#039;s bad. However, people do have the right to choose what sort of material they are exposed to, and if &quot;Koogle&quot; is a material filter for people to use so they don&#039;t offend their sensibilities, then is it bad?
4. Kugel is a jewish foodstuff, so Koogle probably got its name as a joke.

A bit of perspective and respect doesn&#039;t cost too much. Even if a 6000 year old religion is, well, a bit made up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not in favour of censorship for all. I&#8217;m not a believer in ancient laws. However, I think your article was needlessly provocative, given what these guys have done. Here are a few things I&#8217;d point out.</p>
<p>1. Jews don&#8217;t believe in hellfire and damnation, the reason they follow laws is to get closer to their god.<br />
2. Finding an &#8220;ingenious workaround&#8221; to a religious law is a very Jewish thing to do, though in this case I think they&#8217;ve actually missed the point &#8211; if you care enough about a religious way of conducting yourself, then surely you don&#8217;t work around it.<br />
3. If you think of censorship as a way to stop people talking, then it&#8217;s bad. However, people do have the right to choose what sort of material they are exposed to, and if &#8220;Koogle&#8221; is a material filter for people to use so they don&#8217;t offend their sensibilities, then is it bad?<br />
4. Kugel is a jewish foodstuff, so Koogle probably got its name as a joke.</p>
<p>A bit of perspective and respect doesn&#8217;t cost too much. Even if a 6000 year old religion is, well, a bit made up.</p>
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		<title>By: Monitor</title>
		<link>http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2009/08/18/hell-avoidance-2-0/comment-page-1/#comment-180287</link>
		<dc:creator>Monitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Koogle&quot;? Hmm. Presumably they considered, and rejected, &quot;Joogle.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Koogle&#8221;? Hmm. Presumably they considered, and rejected, &#8220;Joogle.&#8221;</p>
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