Boycott Denmark, urges ISESCO
Denmark.dk reports that the Islamic cultural organisation ISESCO has called on its 51 members to boycott Denmark over the Mohammed cartoons. ISESCO claims that it “represents the cultural conscience of the Islamic world.”
Abdul Aziz Othman al-Twaijri, the organisation’s secretary general:
We encourage the organisation’s members to boycott Denmark both economically and politically until Denmark presents an official apology for the drawings that have offended the world’s Muslims.
December 29th, 2005 at 10:00 am
Lucky Denmark!
No muslims to bother them ….
January 27th, 2006 at 6:28 pm
Lucky Muslims!
No more gross danish products….
January 28th, 2006 at 8:28 am
lets hope the danish stop visiting our Muslim countries, they look a lot like the cows they use for dairy… YUCK!
January 28th, 2006 at 10:00 am
I have a lot of respect to Danish people and I’m sure most of them do
not approve the drawings that offended us. You will need to read about the
prophet history to undersand why muslims were so offended about the cartoons.
January 28th, 2006 at 6:48 pm
Fahad. Most Danes think anybody is allowed to say and draw what they want. It’s something we call ‘freedom of expression’. Maybe the Arabic world could learn something here.
Relax. It’s just a couple of drawings. You should find some other things to be offended about instead of some stupid drawings.
And Yehia. You are not too pretty yourself.
January 28th, 2006 at 8:18 pm
Dear All, I urge you all to boycott all the danish products immidately,as the least thing to be done to protect our prophet!
January 28th, 2006 at 9:08 pm
DK_proud. And this is the same freedom of expression which however prohibits to make
the same drawings about the Jews. I am really surprised by what I see and I hear these days.
I had much regard for the Danish people and all Scandinavia in general.
But what I discover is alarming: people of racist, hypocrites who hid their play well.
It is a pity really. And your hypocrisy is checked when you become donors of lessons.
Whereas you would have howled if the subject concerned the Jews.
Once more you have just proven that all that there is of good on your premise is only surface,
because the truth is elsewhere.
January 28th, 2006 at 9:11 pm
DK_proud
Does your ‘freedom of expression’ allows to write something that denies the holocaust??
January 28th, 2006 at 11:05 pm
DK_proud,
You shouldn’t assume what you do is right and expect others to follow you.
If you believe freedom of expression is the right thing to do then its your call.
We believe that somes thing are off limit (especially when it comes to God
and religions, and I mean here Islam or any other faith).
Life would be much easier if we have mutual respect, don’t you agree?
January 29th, 2006 at 4:09 am
The concept of freedom is built on the idea that one’s freedom stops
when starts the freedom of others so it does not offend their very
own freedom .By showing those horrible drawings this newspaper offended
the freedom of hundreds of millions around the world ,it offended there free
freedom of faith.In fact, a freedom without limits would mean Anarachy
and as far as I can understand Denmark is not an anarchic Society !!!
January 29th, 2006 at 10:47 am
please stop this. whats the use of freedom when others get hurt by it.
January 29th, 2006 at 12:26 pm
“Freedom of speech “glamour’s word for some that means nothing when it’s full of lies and motivated by hatred .some media groups are spreading gossip about Muslims been terrorists and full extremists views I may be able to stomach this not because it’s truth because I know its completely fabricated . “BUT” when my beloved prophet Muhammad (pbuh) characteristics by the filthy carton as terrorist that hurts not just because it’s a lie but because he was sent as mercy to mankind, he never terrified anyone.
If we the Muslims have one bit of dignity we should boycott all Danish products and that is least thing we should do.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:00 pm
I see no problem in denying holocaust, and it is very much legal in Denmark.
Since we all know that holocaust is a fact, most people laugh of those who deny it, so let them say whatever they want.
Same thing about Jews. If you want to make a drawing about Jews (like this one: http://www.c-hef.org/jpgs/panel_08a.jpg) you are free to do so. If anybody think you are wrong, they have the freedom to say it by using arguments against your drawing.
Mahdi. Please! If anything you did should be with not offending anyone in mind, you could do nothing.
No meat-eating - You might offend the vegetarians
No pork - You might offend the Jews and the Muslims
No porn - That could make the Christian right offended
Etc. etc. etc.
Freedom of speech is to say and paint whatever you want, as long as you don’t threaten anyone.
Fahad. I agree. Which is why you shouldn’t interfere with what Danish newspapers do or say.
Jyllands-posten never intended you in the Arab world to see this.
It all started with a man who wrote a (very sober) book about Muhammed and his life. But no one wanted to make the drawings because they were afraid of what would happen to them if some of the radical Danish Muslims saw it.
So Jyllands-posten decided to show those drawings of Mohammed to show that we still have freedom of expression, and as expected, next day they received threads to kill the journalists. It was a protest against some extremist Danish Muslims who have problems with freedom of expression. If they don’t like democracy, they are free to move to a part of the world where freedom is more limited.
And for hypocrisy, dear Mohammed. We have always had very satirical drawings of Jesus, our Prime Minister, our monarch and almost anyone else, who is worth making jokes about. Not since we had a ruling king, had those kind of things been illegal. We actually have magazines who do nothing else than making funny cartoons about celebrities and all religions. No one ever lifts an eyebrow!
I remember a single case with a documentary about some musicians who had “Kill the Christians” written on their wall. ONE SINGLE strange old lady made a complaint to the police, but no one else cared. The old lady is actually known for doing strange conservative tings just to get attention.
So you might not like that we express what we think, but forget about hypocrisy. We do the same to ourselves, because we like democracy.
You now, it wasn’t until Muslims came to Denmark that anyone ever discussed if democracy is the best alternative. That might be why some Danes don’t like muslims. Oh, and the fact that most crimes in Denmark are committed by Muslims even though they only make up about 5 - 7% of the population.
That’s not a reason to hate a whole population, since the majority of Danish Muslims are hardworking decent people. But I do understand why some people are getting a little tired of the problems with Muslims constantly breaking the law and/or sucking on our very generous welfare, only to say that Danish girls are whores and that they hate Denmark and the Danish people. That my friend, is hypocrisy.
January 29th, 2006 at 1:54 pm
By the way.
Have anyone of you seen those “horrible drawings”?
January 29th, 2006 at 4:54 pm
I believe in freedom of speech as long as it does not touch religion, and i mean any religion.
We Muslims do not make fun of any of the main religions like christianity and judism because we believe in the
prophets Moses and Jesus. We also beleive that our beloved prophet came to complete Moses’s and Jesus’s message
from God.
For DK_proud, yes i have seen the drawing and they r very offensive, and we have started the boycott and who will
suffer now is your economy cuz no apology will be enough, it is already too late!!
We never had anything against ur country or ur people but what that newspaper did was an extreme hit to our
patience.. If they had talked about our country or our people it would have been less of a problem for us.. but to
make fun of our beloved prophet that was the last thread.. this we will never forgive.. and ur government refuses
even to apologise which is the least that should have been done specially that they know that 50% of their export is
to my country Saudi Arabia.
The apology of the newspaper now means nothing.. cuz on october thay wrote that they will NOT apologize nor will
they remove the drawings.. now they seem to have changed their mind.. i wonder why??
could it be that some companies such as Arla and others who will suffer, threatened to sue them??
The harm has been done now and your country will reap what it sow!!
January 29th, 2006 at 6:30 pm
Desert.
You surely prefer religion before liberty and science which is your problem. I’m just happy you don’t live in my country. Here you would be considered someone with middle-age views.
As for the boycott. There is no reason for apologising, since JP hasn’t done anything wrong, and for the disclaimer, you should try to read it again. They are not sorry, they are only sorry you cry so much about such small things. I repeat it for you so you can understand it: It is not an apology.
The other thing is that even if all of the Arab world should stop buying any Danish goods we’ll still remain one of the richest countries in the world, so don’t think this small thing can do any harm worth worrying about. As a student in economics I can tell you: If you knew a bit about Danish economy you wouldn’t make such dumb statements.
When the oil wells run dry, you’ll be as poor as the poorest places in Africa because you never learned that progress requires democracy and freedom of expression.
Oh, and to your information. We have enough oil to be self-sufficient so don’t try that one as an argument
“They remove the drawings”??? Have you any idea what you are commenting on? The drawings were in a newspaper not on a website. How can you remove something being printed and distributed?
Maybe you should worry more about your country. How about you get a democratic government? One that doesn’t kill people openly on the streets. And you know what? We don’t even have torture. Can you believe that? It’s true. And our politicians are not corrupt criminals who’ll let people with money religious fundamentalist tell them what to do. The worst thing we do is to make drawings of Mohammed. Whoa we are so evil.
Since I judge people as individuals, not at a group, I hope and believe that most of your fellow countrymen have a bit more between their ears that you do.
Anyone else: I understand that some of you have been misinformed about the situation, so here is an informative link: http://bibelen.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_bibelen_archive.html
January 29th, 2006 at 7:15 pm
Hi everyone.
First i dont think the newspaper JP published the drawing to
offend any people in the muslim world.
Before the case with the mohammed drawing, i think only a few of the danish people knew that it is
not alowed to draw him. Many danish cant understand iclude myself why you being so angry about it.
Something we can learn from this case, is not dig a deeper hole between the christianity and the
islamic world, but make a dialog. It dos not help if your all beginning hate the danish people,
i think the danish people should be willing to lisining to your people also.
We need a dialog between our pople.
Is the best way to try to understand, that we are different and that we all have a different view
our world. It is the only way to respect each orther .
Here in Denmark, some of the few islamic prest who stand up in the mainstream media a diggin a
deep clif between muslim and Danes, i think they a putting gas on the fire.
I hope you understand that most danes a peace full and open to orther culture and religion.
Have nice evening everyone:-)
January 29th, 2006 at 7:25 pm
Dk_proud has a good point.
freedom of speach is every mans right, and nobody is gonna change that
January 29th, 2006 at 8:50 pm
To all Who claim that the prints are part of the fredum of exprresion i say. are you able to use th same right to criticise and make fun of any thing related to ISRAEL, or JEWS. or Hoxt…..?????
if you are really beleieve in freedom, you should give the chance to everyone to to have double standards.
i chalange you to even think about it without being arrested for being anti……
you know the rest of the word.
they problem is your rights starts with attacking any thing and ends when you come close to isarel or Jews.
ami wrong? or you are cows?
January 29th, 2006 at 10:21 pm
Jeorge. You are wrong. In Denmark you are free to criticize Israel as much as you want as long as you don’t threaten people, and believe me I do exercise that freedom to the fullest.
You have no idea how often I have been on the Palestinians side in debates and discussions here in Denmark.
I’m rarely being accused of being an antisemite, and only by some of the far-right Zionists.
I think that Israel is an illegal state, but what does it have to do with the debate about Mohamed? Should I love everything about Islam just because I think the Palestinians are treated badly?
January 29th, 2006 at 10:41 pm
“and ur government refuses
even to apologise which is the least that should have been done specially that they know that 50% of their export is #
LOL About 90% of Danish exports go to western countries (mostly Germany, Sweden, Norway, and Britain)
Saudi Arabia is about as important to Denmark as sweat pants in the desert!
And Denmark happens to send a lot of aid to Arabia - conditioned that they start democratic reforms.
They might as well cancel that now as they clearly haven’t worked.
And as for your paranoid views on Israel and Europe (I assume you think all Europeans are the same on that matter)
THE VAST MAJORITY OF EUROPEANS SUPPORT THE PALESTINIANS! In fact, several European leaders had expressed
worries that polls showed that most europeans thought Israel was the biggest threat to world peace.
So PLEASE, PLEASE stop the pathetic “all europeans are zionist” nonsense. It’s just not true.
January 29th, 2006 at 10:54 pm
Dk_proud,
In our religion “Islam” we learn to repay misdeeds with good deeds, and it teaches us how to be tolerant therefore I want to have a friendly conversation with you and to argue logically as civilized well educated people do. First of all I want to say that those fanatic, violent minorities of Muslim don’t represent Islam simply because our religion is against all kinds of violence ,racism ,crime and any other bad deeds which contribute in ruining ourselves, our life and our society .One thing I want you to consider that anyone who commit any of these things against anybody from any religion or nationality is NON-Muslim .For god sake our religion prevents us from hurting animals & plants so how come anyone would kill, threaten or hurt anyone in the name of Islam ,this is not Islam and anyone who commit such things is not one of us. As for the drawings you should understand that we have things in our religion which considered sacred and must be respected ,we believe in freedom of expression but we also believe that certain things are not to be violated or disrespected .God ,prophet Muhammad and all other prophets are sacred and no freedom can extend to desecrate them .They are our examples of how to become better people and how to be respected, civilized & successful in our life , so how come we make fun of them .They are our means to fulfill our spiritual needs and only in them we can find the salvation we need when we are so miserable and desperate, Islam is a great religion and our prophet is a great example for all the world “Muslims or Non-Muslims” so making fun of him is simply not acceptable not because we don’t have democracy or don’t believe of “freedom of expression” but because respecting our prophet is the least we can do to repay what he did for this religion and for the whole world . Read about our religion, try to seek the true essence of it and understand its content and then maybe you will be able to understand our point of view and respect it, and be convinced that whoever made these drawings owes us an apology.
January 29th, 2006 at 11:22 pm
RE: Jeorge
Yes our freedom of expression extents to Jews and Israel and every body else for that matter!
Double standards? I’m not sure I get your point fully – so would you please elaborate it. I can always guess, but I don’t find that a just replay to your question.
I don’t really get where you get your phobia for every Dane being totally devoted to Jews and Israel but I guess you see the world as a Zionist controlled place – I will just say it is not! And I think you are just as bias as people who think all Muslims are terrorist!
I don’t know where you live in the world – but if you live in a place without free media that might explain your view of the world – lighten up look inward before you look outward!
And YES you are very wrong in assuming I would not dare to criticize Israel – if and when I felt like it!
January 30th, 2006 at 12:14 am
What is the big problem? A Danish newspaper printed 12 cartoons depicting Mohammad, although not all of them actually showed the prophet. So Islam has a rule against depicting Mohammad, well how can this apply to non-muslims? Should one religious group be allowed to force their taboos on the rest of the world? Surely not! As for the boycott, I’m guessing the Danes couldn’t care less. Some who’s export is suffering from the boycott may start to whine a bit, but as a whole my bet will be that the Danes will look at the boycott and simply think: “If some dictatorships want to boycott our products, let them!”
As for the freedom of speech, it is sacrosanct. Without that most important freedom, there can be no democracy, and without democracy we are left with a society where the most brutal and ruthless rule - as is the case in all muslim countries.
And if you people who started the boycott cared as much about their fellow muslims, as they apparently do about protecting Mohammad from being depicted (Can’t the guy fend for himself? Send a lightning bolt to strike down the pestering infidels..) they would realise that this only hurts the muslims living in Denmark and Europe. Because they will be the ones to reap what you have sown. Do you think this will make it any easier for muslims to live in Denmark or Europe? Being constantly connected with backwards regimes and religious extremists, and now with a blatant disregard for the freedom of speech rightfully being exercised in a non-muslim country by non-muslims.
January 30th, 2006 at 12:30 am
Dear Nadia
I very mush enjoyed reading your post!
I will offer you some point’s that might help explain our view of freedom of expression:
- A working democracy is only working as long as the debate and criticism is alive and happening. Democracy may ever become static!
- Secularity – is a bearing principal of our democracy. This means that religion and state has to be apart. Religion is a personal mater in Denmark and government may never ansaw to religion.
You make a some good remarks on how you distinguish between Muslims and NON- Muslims.
Now I would like to ask you why a NON – Muslim (the Danish cartoonist’s) should be restrained in their freedom of expression by your god and your religion?
– does freedom of religion not mean that we our selves may choose to what greater we ansaw?
Another thing that has been puzzling me – is why these NON – Muslim made cartoons is sparking this anti – Danish attitude, while terrorists blowing up other people and claiming to be Muslims meet very little public objection – sometimes rather the contrary?
I got heart when I today on the news saw a group of some teen Palestinians burning a Danish flag, but I tolerate this as I know it’s their freedom of expression. I think it would be nice if they wanted to apologies but I do not demand it and I definitely do not demand an official Palestinian apology for the work of teen individuals as long as the Palestinian state do not encourage people to do so. In the same way I’m not demanding an apology from the TV station that broadcasted the flag burning, it’s their job to relay this information.
I neither want my government to encourage Danes to boycott all of Palestine be course of these teen peoples work.
January 30th, 2006 at 12:34 am
Desert,
“I believe in freedom of speech as long as it does not touch religion, and i mean any religion”
Good. Do you also believe in freedom of expression? Do you believe, I should be allowed to
walk around Saudi-Arabia with a cross around my neck? Do you believe, I should be allowed
to build a church in Saudi-Arabia? Do you believe, I should be allowed to preach christianity
in Saudi-Arabia? Do you believe, I should be allowed to question Islam?
If it is an established fact and “tradition” of Islam to not depict the prophets, then why haven’t
you burned the muslim books featuring Mohammed? Muslims of the past did infact think it was ok to
depict the prophet. What changed? Surely the Qur’an didn’t. What makes you think your understanding
of Islam is better than those who came before you?
January 30th, 2006 at 1:01 am
5 months ago, I doubt any Dane would have thought a cartoon drawing of Mohammed would have raised an eyebrow on most Muslims, since we often make fun of Jesus and other religious icons, its very much a part of how we reflect on the world, its not a racist or hateful thing, but merely a way to laugh about something that is serious.
But I doubt its only these drawings that’s the cause, that a Norwegian newspaper reprinted them, made the card house fall, seems to me that there is a lot more to this then just the cartoons, there is a gap in the world and lag of understanding the guy next to you.
There is a lot of misinformation, I heard that some said the JP newspaper was owned by the Danish government and that a critical movie about Islam was being release by the government also, not true, the News paper is privately owned and I very much doubt the Danish government would make a movie that is critic about Islam, we are working hard on making integration of our Muslims countrymen, what you must understand is that Islam is fairly a new religion in this country and only 3% are practicing it, so there is misunderstandings there too, but its lag of knowledge its not the lag of respect, I know a lot who doesn’t really know much about their own christian religion.
I saw the cartoons and I got to say, I don’t find them very amusing and don’t really see where or what the newspaper tried to say with them that said, I didn’t know that pictures of Mohammed wasn’t allowed, and that you feel offended in something you believed your hole life is more then understandable, but the reactions of burning some I hold dear, namely our flag Dannebrog is just a torn in my eye and helps nobody, most of all the understanding of the Danish people, I also realize that those doing that does not represent all Muslims.
I urge the Muslim people and world to protest in peace and without violence, two Arla employees was assaulted while doing their job, please these people did not wrong other then working for a Danish company that a week ago was used by many Muslims, a company that has worked there for 25 years, its that kind of predidiouse we almost eliminated here against Arabs, the fact is we are the country in Europe with fewest attacks on people for their religion, please don’t fuel those who would benefit on this, by doing wrong.
Give peace a chance!
January 30th, 2006 at 9:01 am
Dear all
I believe that the current issue is becoming blown out of proportion.
Firstly, in my opinion - it was wrong for the newspaper to publish material that insults religion.
“Freedom of speech” cannot be made an excuse to commit such insult and mockery of other religions.
Mockery of politicians and other individuals is common and can be called freedom of speech, but to publicly mock
religious matter should not be called freedom of speech. I believe “freedom of speech” should go hand in hand with
“respect of faith of others”.
With respect to the above, I can understand why the muslims around the world feel angry. But, death threats cannot
be justified. Muslims should not blow this issue out of prportion, by resorting to terrorism and personal harm.
I understand that this is not the reaction of all muslims, but there are some who react by terrorism related means.
This is not acceptable.
some muslim countries like saudi arabia has a lot to learn about freedom of speech and religious freedom.
I’m a christian and respect all religions. I have friends of all religions. I have basic knowledge of all faiths and
find all faith wonderful. All faith promote love, freindship, peace etc.
Anyway, my bottom line is - “The Danish newspaper clearly is at fault by publishing those cartoons and they owe an
apology to muslims”.
January 30th, 2006 at 11:44 am
Boyhunky wrote: “All faith promote love, freindship, peace etc.”
Are you kidding me? What planet do you currently reside on?
And as for your statement: “The Danish newspaper clearly is at fault by publishing those cartoons and they owe an
apology to muslims” - Have you completely lost it? Freedom of expression is first among all freedoms, that’s why it’s the First Amendment in the U.S. Constitution and why the European Court of Human Rights state that nothing stands above the freedom of expression. But I guess that doesn’t matter if a bunch of religious nutters get their knickers in a twist.
Oh and in case you were wondering by religious nutters I didn’t just mean the enraged muslims, I really think you belong in that category as well.”All faith promote love, freindship, peace etc.” - Point proven.
January 30th, 2006 at 11:59 am
actually i am quite pretty
as for the argument about apology or not, i dont favor an apology actually, its as worthless as the danish themselves.
i do favor the boycott tho
as for the stupid remark by the JP saying, we didnt know it will offend anyone, its like they r talking to KG kids or something, they knew quite well, and unless they r totally mentally retarded (which they r i guess) they wouldnt make such a statment which is more insulting of their intelect if anything!!
as for us being poor after the oil runs out, let us worry about that, we have many resources, and we have uranium rich land, and we’ll follow iran/pakistan/former soviet islamic republics in building ourt own power supplies.
as for freedom of speech, we knew that 1400 years ago, when the Quran gave the right to non muslims to believe in what they want to believe in, so sorry pal, u missed being a pioneer on this one by a wide range, say a thousand years at least :))))
by the way, did ya all know that arabs r the ones who invented the Zero, so next time u do mathematics or buy something or what ever, and u see zero, dont be sad that us retarded arabs handed u this :p in addition to many things like algebra (named after a muslim arab scientist, woow) and other things that u took and now u look at us as retarded (did ya all know that the first model of a robot was made in spain when it was under muslim rule!!! some 750 years ago or more, i guess we can now figure out where da vinci got his ideas!! did ya all know that the vatican used to by paper and ink from muslims to print the bible, they didnt know paper b4 arabs introduced it to Europe, anbd we didnt mind giving them this knowledge to write the bible, talk about FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!), in fact we only feel behind when we stopped practicing islam as we should!
January 30th, 2006 at 1:15 pm
Quote from Ibrahim “Freedom of expression is first among all freedoms, that’s why it’s the First Amendment in the U.S. Constitution and why the European Court of Human Rights state that nothing stands above the freedom of expression.”
Does of “freedom of expression” mean that anybody can say and do anything they want even if it meant
insulting and paining others. does pornography in public newspapers come under “freedom of expression”.
I still stand by my view that the danish newspaper has gone too far in practising its freedom of speech
by insulting other religions. All religions should be respected and not to be made fun of, especially
not in public newspapers.
January 30th, 2006 at 1:30 pm
Every society has to set limits even when it has “freedom of expression”. and i believe that
religious mutual respect is limit to be set. If denmark doesn’t understand this then they have to
review their freedom of speech and has to set limits.
personally being a christian i cannot accept jesus or the pope being insulted in public newspaper.
i cannot tolerate it at all. the danish people should not interpret freedom of speech in such a
manner.
I respect freedom of speech, but it should have limits.
January 30th, 2006 at 1:55 pm
boyhunky: Amen
and by the way, did u know that when Jesus is mentioned Muslims are required to say may peace and blessing of God be upon him? contrast that with how u insulted the prophet of Islam may peace and blessing be upon him and all prophets
January 30th, 2006 at 2:58 pm
Yehia and boyhunky
You don’t seem to understand the principle in play. It is a historical fact that the reformation of Europe was what cleared the path for separation of church and stat and finally let to the democratizes we know to day.
If we once again were to put church over stat we would be moving backward toward the dark ages!
I’m not saying we should not have mutual respect for each other, like when Danish women visit Saudi Arabia they wear a headdress be course that is law there. We have not made boycott’s or demanded apologies for Saudi Arabia even though we find that discriminating for Danish women!
January 30th, 2006 at 3:53 pm
The only limitations on the freedom of expression under the provisions of the Danish Constitution, is if you abuse this freedom by making threats or by deliberately making false statements (i.e. false accusations) As for pornography, it can freely be published, and that includes in newspapers.
Religion is personal, not political. And freedom of expression takes rank over freedom of religion any day. If that wasn’t the case you wouldn’t be able to express your religious beliefs, you could only have them in silence.
January 30th, 2006 at 4:59 pm
I wonder why nobody has mentioned that an agreement with the Saudia Arabiaen goverment was made to put the issue behind us and move forward. What went wrong other then another newspaper in another country reprintet the cartoons.
January 30th, 2006 at 5:16 pm
Poor Denmark!
Read for your own pleasure Tingy.
http://www.arlafoods.com/APPL/HJ/HJ202COM/HJ202D01.NSF/O/B0262AFFD7FEAAE5C12571060028F056
Try to help Danish cows by buyin some cheese and butter
hahahaha
January 30th, 2006 at 5:35 pm
DK_proud, there is a difference between freedome of speech and “impoliteness and being rude”. Your freedom of speech does not give you the right to insult me. I am sure this is something you would not understand due to lack of morals and ethics in Denmark.
January 30th, 2006 at 6:02 pm
This show the degree of Danish impoliteness!!!!
it really had nothing to with freedome of speech!
I will try to spreed the boycott , here in Germany
January 30th, 2006 at 6:06 pm
yes, boycott daenmark products
January 30th, 2006 at 6:19 pm
I think its scary to see the ignorance of so many people, most of all muslims that has never even seen the cartoons, around the world as how they react to the cartoons. Boycotting Danish products for what a news paper did, What is the idea in that? I have seen many cartoons against the west, other thing, shown to mock the west and there believes. You dont see us react in the same way as you do. That just shows whos the bigger person, doesnt it. In Denmark we have freedom of speech, we cherish that, makes us a more tolerant nation, your actions to what the news paper did, judging all Danish people like you do, proves that the Muslim world isnt a tolerant group of people. In Denmark we have a saying, Its stupid to throw a stone if you live in a gla ss house. One Fact is that denmark is the country in the world, that gives the most humanitarian help to other people from around the world incl. Mpeople, if you look at it per person living in denmark. Think about that. Boycott the news paper not the people.
READ THIS LINK ITS WRITTEN BY A MUSLIM WITH A Objectiv view :
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=21654
January 30th, 2006 at 7:06 pm
Mohamed wrote: “Your freedom of speech does not give you the right to insult me”
Well, it actually does. As long as I don’t threaten you or make false accusations, I can say anything I chose to do. And when it comes to historical figures who have been dead for years I can say absolutely anything.(i.e. your socalled prophet was a wifebeating criminal who took for a wife a mere child of 9, yep that’s right NINE years old - Talk about false idols.) And there is not thing ONE you can do to stop me because I haven’t broken any law by making my statement.
As for the lack of morals and ethics in Denmark, I sincerely doubt that anyone of intelligence would agree with you on that one. Denmark even helps under-developed countries like the muslim ones with financial and other aid, and Denmark has allowed muslims to immigrate to the country, only to be thanked by an explosive rise in crime. A muslim in Denmark is 7 times more likely to commit a serious crime (murder, rape, assault etc.) than a native Dane. Talk about lack of morals and ethics.
January 30th, 2006 at 7:31 pm
please stop helping us Denmark, o pretty please
My God, when will u get it thru ur VERY thick skulls, we dont need ur help, u novo riche, u think ur euros mean something for us? please please, go into demonstrations and demand from ur goverment to stop helping us…
and oh, u say u help ppl? how about kosovo? the only reason u helped is cuz its in ur own back yard, and how about iraq? u destroyed it and now u say u r helping rebuild it (consider me stupid but why destroy a country just to rebuild it?) and if u reaaaaaly reaaaally feel u want to help, and its gonna kill u if u dont, then help the palastineans get back their land, and i dont mean just the 1967 occupiedm but every single inch that is occupied since 1948 by jew gangs, that were exported from Europe with ur ideaology of hate and corruption, and as u can see, they have been killing ppl for 60 years now… why didnt we see ur eagrness to help when the press displayed photos of isrealie soldiers shoting down a 10 year non armed kid? and the funny thing is, this is his land, and the israili is an occupier backup by the west, including ur country, so if anything, this is the help we r getting from u
and let me tell u why u actually help. cuz u send missionaries to convert ppl, so its not just for sake of help, u have ur agenda, and if not this issue, then u help develop oil fields, or other industries to send stuff for ur countries, so dont bullshit us with this help shit, cuz it aint working
January 30th, 2006 at 7:41 pm
Well, a just a point to clarify how Muslims view Mohammed (pbuh). We love Mohammed (pbuh) more than we love our parents and children.OUR RELIGION TOLD US THIS. I wont judge you on how you see this but again dont judge us on our love for our prophet. You may diagree (and if fact you do since you dont believe in him and of course this is your right)but you should acknowledge that we muslims believe in him as we acknowledge your rights not to believe in him. Having said, that you should understand that insulting him a way or another would create a reaction and its a just natural reaction. Cause just think about this: you have your kid or your parent who is insulted; would you accept that in the name of free speech? We love our prophet more than we love our kids and parents!
January 30th, 2006 at 7:56 pm
Kosovo??? Denmark did not do any thing to Kosovo except helping to throw out the Serb army – you know the ones that exercised ethnic cleansing on the people living there!
Now Yehia – get your story strait!
READ THIS LINK ABOUT FREEDOM OF EXPRESSIOM:
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=21654
January 30th, 2006 at 8:01 pm
sorry danish sent there troops with instructions, dont engage unless engaged, so serbs kept on killing muslims and putting them ingraves, and muslim countries were not allowed to send fighting troops, cuz its being handeled by the west. and when enough killing was done, u decided ok, lets stop this mess, its too noisy and some ppl cant sleep at night from the noises the muslims are making as they r slaughtered, why cant they die quitly, i dont get it.
by the way, 80,000 muslim virgins were raped in kosovo, i dont see pro-women activists working on their story, it was totally neglected, so dont tell me a muslims is 7 times more likly to commit crime, check ur history first, and yes i view danks, serbs, and the west as being one, u would do the same if u were given the chance, and we should be aware of that, and these drawings are just an example of how u hate us, and if u get the chance u will start killing us, raping, and stealing
January 30th, 2006 at 8:18 pm
I dont get it tho, why cant u just leave these issues aside, if u truly want us to live in peace? this whole issue could have been none existant if u didnt spark it, and dont tell me u didnt see it coming, with all what is happening in the world these years! a turbane shaped as a bomb then u say we didnt think its offensive!
my point is, a little wisdom would help these issues being avoided in the future, and the west needs to stop and think if they want to complicate things more, and put in mind that no nation stays on top for ever, and no nation stays weak for ever, so dont feed hate into muslims, cuz maybe one day they would be stronger, and then it would be nice if they dont have a grudge
January 30th, 2006 at 8:24 pm
Yehia – you demonstrate to the fullest that you are beyond reach – that you see the world as black and white – and that nothing can change this. Very very sad
To all others please read this link about the freedom of expression:
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=21654
January 30th, 2006 at 8:50 pm
oh please, u dont want muslims in europe, u deny turkey the EU saying its occupying cyprus, and u offer it to the UK and its occupying northen ireland, and u say turkey has a bad record in human rights, and u see what the uk did in iraq, and how they discussed bombing an arabic station in a free country in the gulf. Dont use double measuers and we will be happy to deal with u. just like in the danish constitution u say not to insult the holocost or deny it (and its not a religion, and by preventing ppl from denying it or insulting it, u r controling their Farrrredooohom offf zbeeeeeccchhhh) then u should have in it also not to inslut our religion!!! see if u wont play by the rules, dont put them, either freedom of speech totally, or no freedom, or u change the rules, and say, yes freedom, but certin things are not to be messed with, like the queen, the holocost, and of course, Islam. and this is the better option, cuz u dont want total freedom (or else u wouldnt have alredy had the exceptions laid) and no one wants no freedom.
January 30th, 2006 at 9:29 pm
HEY here is how we solve the crisis!
The danes don’t give no excuse (why should they?)
The arabs continue their boycott of danish goods, that’s their choise, no problem
The danish government, stop supporting muslims in denmark, they cost the danish society $ 1.000.000.000 a year
Eventually the grand total will be $0.
How about that? Or maybe for once moslims should just accept that the world houses other people that moslims?!
January 30th, 2006 at 9:31 pm
Mr Dk proud,
If you really believe in freedom of expression you should nt deny us the right to get offended or not. It is not “YOU” who tell us what should offend us or not. We are free to get offended , we are free to boycott all danne products and we are even free to accept the apology or not…or do you think freedom of expression is only granteed to you guys..You really shock me with you biased behavior.
One mroe thing Dk, it is not just about that stupid cartoon u r referring too, there is a lot of hate crimes beside that stupid cartoon and together with that stupid cartoon are the reasone behind teh boycott.
Don’t you believe calling to elimnate muslims from western europe either by killign them or moving them out of europe is a hate crime and clear call to murder and kill muslim. What do you think? or you guys think that calling for killing muslims is part of freedom of speech. Here in the states it is a crime to target specific group of people and express your desire to elimnate them hmm we call it racisim.
January 30th, 2006 at 9:32 pm
Yehia, normally I would comment on your ravings, but I think they speak for themselves…
So I will restrict myself to noting that you clearly haven’t understood a single thing about freedom of speech. But in the end that’s your loss. I hope you will continue to enjoy living in unenlighted bliss.
January 30th, 2006 at 9:37 pm
Ups Yehia, I just found a false statement in your previous post. You wrote: “just like in the danish constitution u say not to insult the holocost or deny it…”
Now that is just pathetic, couldn’t you make up a more convincing lie than that. IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO DENY THE HOLOCAUST IN DENMARK, NEITHER THE CONSTITUTION, NOR ANY OTHER LAW FORBIDS SUCH DENIAL. Only common sense prevents people from denying holocaust, so I can see where you screwed up.
January 30th, 2006 at 10:45 pm
Dr.ibrahim firstly, there is no such thing as a “hate crime” under Danish law. A crime is a crime, regardless of who committed it, and regardless of who was targeted. The law does not care about the motives behind the crime, only whether the crime was committed or not. The reasoning behind this is that any crime is serious regardless of who was victimised by it.
Secondly I dare you, no I double dare you to present proof backing up your statement: “calling to elimnate muslims from western europe either by killign them or moving them out of europe is a hate crime and clear call to murder and kill muslim.” It seems to me someone didn’t do his homework properly. (But then again what did I expect…)
January 30th, 2006 at 10:52 pm
Dear Another Dane & One_sad_Dane
Thank you “Another Dane” for your compliment about enjoying my post and “One_sad_Dane” thank you for Not finding these drawings amusing. To you my friends am sending this post trying to make things clear to you and to every body else.
I will start by mentioning a verse which is written in our holy book (quran), it’s about how people were one nation and all messengers were sent to them to guide them to the true path, this is to certify how Muhammad and all other messengers were sent to all man kind not only to Muslims therefore respecting Muhammad, Jesus and other prophets is a must & should be done by Muslims and non-Muslims and no one should deny this.
The verse:
“Mankind was one single nation, and Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed;
And the following is another verse describing how terrible is to mock at any messenger and how God punishes those who do such thing, these words are from God to our prophet Muhammad telling him that people who mock at him shall face the same destiny of those who mocked at prophets before him :
The verse:
“And messengers before you were certainly mocked at, but I granted respite to the unbelievers, and finally I punished them: Then how (terrible) was my requital!”
Am mentioning these verses because I want you to understand our point of view and why we are angry of those drawings, I know 100% that you didn’t know that drawing our messenger is prohibited, but you should respect our religion and believe because we respect yours and we are commanded to respect others religions and believes and not mock at them. So these verses are a mean to explain to you why such behaviors are unacceptable in our religion simply because God in our holy book prohibits them and punishes those who do them. These are commands from God and we as Muslims follow them and respect them. All prophets are great persons who did great things to all man kind and they should be honored and respected not mocked at.
I want to point out something, that we all here should try to clarify our points of view to each other and not be aggressive am sure that each of us has wrong ideas and believes about the other, like the idea you have about Muslims and how they do terrible things and as I told you before those who do such things do not represent Islam, our religion commands us to do only goods and useful deeds and prohibit killing & violence, God says in our holy book:
“Whosoever kills a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and he who saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind”.
Now do you still believe that our religion is violent or approves any violent or aggressive deeds?
By the way am Palestinian and I assure you that we don’t despise any nation and we don’t support any harmful or violent behavior toward anybody, personally I love all nations and am not racist but when it comes to my religion I shouldn’t stay still and do nothing, I must protest not in any violent way but in a way that leads you at the end to respect and understand our religion and our believes .Our duty here as Muslims is to introduce you to our points and try to make you realize how such things are so important and vital in our culture and religion.
January 30th, 2006 at 10:56 pm
God you people are to much…Do you understand what this female muslim is writing ??? You apparently dont, course if you did you wouldnt keep acting like a child in this matter.
READ THIS LINK ITS WRITTEN BY A MUSLIM WITH A Objectiv view on freedom of speach :
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=21654
Read it and if you dont understand english then have it translated….but stop this Stu.pid crusade you are on, its pointless and will only hurt yourself in the long run. Consentrate on more importen matters and let it be .
This is like …..if you cant get the man, take his brother ! Stupid and pointless. Move on and GROW UP.
January 31st, 2006 at 12:24 am
Dear Nadia
I was not trying to depict the religion of Islam as a religion of violence that approves violence or aggressive deeds – if that was your understanding I must tell you you are very wrong and please read my post again.
Being a non religious man I have very little basis for entering into a religious discussion. And that might be the core of this entire “problem”. You (and others) see it as a matter of religion and I (and others) see it as matter of freedom of expression (ei. Democracy). Our stands are cultural and very different, so I’m sad to say that I very much doubt we will find common ground. We both make a stand on principle – for my part a principle that is of the essence of what a working democracy is – for your part a principle there is of the essence of your religion that guides your life.
So what do we do? Can we learn to live in respect of each others deferent cultural stands? – I would hope so… but right now it does not look good!
I understand your protest and I find it just that you protest given your beliefs – but you most also understand that I can not acknowledge your protest given my democratic values. I hope you understand this and will accept it. I accept and respect your beliefs and would never knowingly expose you to drawings that offend you but I will not stop making them if I find them necessary to the debate in Denmark and other countries of similar cultural stand.
I can only refer you to this article I find very explaining:
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=21654
Ps. I have come to understand that many “false” drawings are floating around and will say that the 12 Danish drawings do not depict Mohammed as gay, a pig, having sex… the must radical of them depict Mohammed with a bomb in his turban.
Pps. The drawings is not the opinion of the Danish government or the people but of the private new paper that printed them – and in Denmark it’s their democratic right to do so if they wish.
January 31st, 2006 at 2:48 am
Another and very different thing is that the Danish flag (that is been burned and destroyed in different Muslim countries these days) is made up by a red base with a white cross – a symbol of the Danes Christianity.
Some of you ask how the Danish news paper can be so inconsiderate to insult Mohammed – well in the last couple of days many Muslims have been so inconsiderate to insult a Christian symbol as well!
- think that makes us about even on the marking of religious symbol front!
- Ironic is it not
January 31st, 2006 at 11:37 am
This has gone out of control… this escalating debat is no longer about offending drawings of the prophet, nor the lack of
respect towards others/religions. Its about saving face, or as muslims like to call it “honour”. Danish peoples can with pride in
their voices say that we as a country ALWAYS try to do what is consideret well. We are without a doubt one the leading countries
when it comes to human rights and fairness. EVERYONE IS EQUAL!
We are not fighting a war on oil in Iraq, but a war on human rights.
We did not draw 12 cartoons of the prophet to offend muslims in our country, nor to find out whether there are any fundamentalists
in the group of immigrants that are here. It was done to kick open a debat.
I will bet, that most danes didnt even know u were not allowed to draw mohamed, before
the “islamic trossamfund” (Danish muslims) made us aware of it.
The muslim organisations in denmark travelled to arab countries to collect sympathy!, i wish they would have stayed! such peoples
are not trying to be well integrated in OUR society as they should! They dont want to be DAnish! Their nationality is muslim!.
They are seeking conflict, because they are jalous of the Danish Country. They are jalous that they cant achieve what we have!
Look at the situation of where all the immigrants come from. its not peaches and cream, i guess thats WHY THEY MIGRATED TO DENMARK!
So to sum up. There will be NO official apology from the danish government, nor DENMARK. We might be a damn small country, with
a tiny population, but we have our hearts and our “HONOUR” ON THE GOOD SIDE!!!! (true Vikings!)
Who is to say, that GOOD, RESPECTFULL, TRUE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT TO DRAW A PICTURE OF MOHAMMED???? is it the muslims in
Denmark who make up the law? I dont think so, and i will never NEVER NEVER let any religous book tell me how to live my
life in my Country!
Godspeed to my fellow Danes, and to my many respectfull Norweigan Brothers & Sisters!
Never give up this fight. its not more than 10 years ago, that muslims on the Television were swearing that they would take over the
world! Never
and everything we can offer.
what a bunch of cowards. U come to our country, we welcome you, we give you free education, money even tho you dont work,
We try to teach you, so that you can become DANISH!!! isnt that the reason you came here??? whos the hypocrit now???
I cant believe that Imam Abu Laban would go to such extremes. i personally do no longer welcome him here!
January 31st, 2006 at 12:41 pm
Ghost …its ONLY a muslin thats not allowed to draw Mohammed. Everyone else can, in the name of freedom do, draw or make what they want…thats a fact.
But every MUSLIM should read this before Yelling up so much :
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=21654
If you judge all danes for a private News papers cartoons…hmmm then what should we Danes do about all your muslim people, Making threats against all danes, burning our flags and boycotting our products ??? If you muslim people are so unpleased with the west ….there is only one thing for you to do ….GO BACK HOME….STAY THERE …..KEEP EVERYTHING MUSLIM THERE AND DONT TAKE ANY HELP WHAT SO EVER FROM THE WEST ….NO FOOD….NO MONEY…NO ARMS AND NO MEDICIN…. and then see just where that will take you, but back in time….Do that …and good luck.
January 31st, 2006 at 1:22 pm
Members of any other religion would respond to media assaults with condemnation and castigation.
Only muslims retaliate with symbol torching, bombing threats, and hostile embassy takeovers.
I saw the caricature - an accurate depiction of a violent culture.
January 31st, 2006 at 1:28 pm
I think its ok they (the f…. muslims) boycott Denmark…if they (all of them) would only follow their
ambassadors and leave Denmark i´d be thrilled….its funny how it works….they like to live in Denmark
and they LOVE the money they get from the state but they wont do anything for it.
I say….fuck ´em all.
Democracy rules
January 31st, 2006 at 2:40 pm
To mr. Yehia
You are one hateful man, I read your posts on other forums aswell, you leave no openings, you leave no chance of peace other then the one converte to islam.
Lets get the fact straight, the only reason the UN Peacerkeeper troops from Denmark wasn’t allowed to attack and fight a war in Kosovo, was that the UN did not allow for such actions, you must understand that we live by the law we help create, it may be faulty, but we do live by it and we do correct it when faults are found.
I doubt your the one who has to work for your food each day, the one who had a one point needed the humaniterian help from another country, you probably live quiet good and just see this an opitunity to further your own interest and place of power.
To Nadia,
I’m glad to see light in this debate and in the world, its people who cares and gives and effort to respect others, tho they may have taken a wrong step, forgivness is a key element to the world today, if you cannot forgive, their cannot be peace.
the link:
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=21654
was a different view and positive one, but their are forces here that benefit more from a conflict then a solution it seems.
And if its true about Imam Abu Laban and other radicals here in Denmark have falsely been giving misinfomation to the Islamic people and leaders, I hope they will not only be punished for their crimes here, but by a united Islamic world, lies and false cartoons have no place here.
/Peace
January 31st, 2006 at 4:42 pm
I think the muslim world is more offended by the fact that Danish people seem to welcome such offencive material. Freedom of expression is good but within the boundaries of politeness and mutual respect. Why is it difficult for Danish people to understand that if someone swear at you in the street then it’s a sign of agressiveness, disrespect and surely outside the boundaries of any freedom. Danish people have always been mature in their views regarding relations between race and religion. I ask every Danish person to think about it..Drawing the muslim prophet is offencive to muslims then it should not be done, simple! Same with young muslims who started showing disrespect to Denmark..don’t reply to the mistake by a mistake!
January 31st, 2006 at 5:00 pm
Observer….Why is it so hard for all you Muslim people to understand that what a news paper does, you cant blame all the danes for….Why is this so hard for you to understand??? That is the real issue here. For some reason you dont get it.
But maybe there is some good to all of this…you (the muslim) again shows and proves to the western world why we will and should keep fighting for freedom and that you guys isnt ready and adult enhough to be a part of that nor to share that (freedom) wil us. Its sad, but you are now showing us that again.
January 31st, 2006 at 5:20 pm
Everybody, we are not trying to create a conflict or a fight ,the last thing I would like to say is that we have the right to be angry since you all call for having the right to express your opinions freely .We do believe in freedom of expression but not when it hurts and humiliates others ,and because we don’t mock at anyone’s religion we expect the same from others ,and why choosing our prophet to mock at ,you know the world is full of things to mock at specially these days so why choosing to offend other’s culture and religion .We understand that these drawings don’t represent the opinion of all Danish people but we’re trying to clarify the reasons to you of why we felt angry of these drawings it’s our duty to let you know and your duty to understand our point of view .
To Another Dane:
I know you didn’t mention that Islam a violent religion, I mentioned this to those who believe in this idea One last thing mutual respect is not impossible, it should be the base of the relation between your nation and our nation, and believe me humiliating other’s religion and mocking at a great symbol in anyone’s religion and culture is not necessary for any debate in any place in the world, and I do appreciate your personal respect.
To Dani:
Calm down, we don’t want anybody here to have a heart attack.
Peace
January 31st, 2006 at 5:53 pm
Nadia….the muslim world did made this big thing out of it …and is making all the violent threats towards all danes. You should get them to Calm down…..we (danes) arent burning flags….we dont threaten to kill other people nor do we boycott anyone over some cartoons in a Private news paper. The muslim does that …and you talk about beeing a peace loving people ….am I the onlyone not seeing the peace in your actions towards the danes in this issue ???
Nadia…look at it from the danes point of view….we get threats on our lives …see our flags burned…some lose there jobs….our red cross people gets beaten up ….and see webpages where they threaten us with bombings in denmark ….all of this becourse a PRIVATE newspaper published 12 cartoons, a matter we (the Danes) had no say in …..do you think its us that needs to calm down ??? If you answer yes to that ….you need your head exsamined …
January 31st, 2006 at 6:35 pm
Dani,
Polls show that the majority of Danes don’t think your governement should apologise for the offence. In other words, the majority of Dane’s are happy for muslims to be offended!
I think you need to differentiate between the meaning of freedom and the meaning of politeness and respect. Sit down and think about it.
January 31st, 2006 at 7:07 pm
Observer…..you are right most of the danes, incl me, dont think we have to apologise for something a PRIVATE news PAPER did……do you apologise for what another muslim persons does ??? No, I dont think so. Get the picture now ???
That you can write a thing like that ….just shows that also you dont understand nor what to see what has happened here and what its all about. Get your facts correct before you act.
Another thing….all of this was made worse by the muslims, the Imans that lives in Denmark, by traveling to the muslim countries and spreading lies, showing pictures that wasnt even shown anywhere. Even the Imans now say that that it was wrong to do and will make a new trip to correct it.
Muslim people in Gaza, that hasnt even seen the drawings nor have all the facts are burning the Danish flag and make threats against the Danes. What is up with you people ??? Are you from this planet ???
I cant believe that the muslim people still dont get it, infact Im to the point of beeing speechless that so many people can be so ignorant and react like this.
If all of this keeps up …I hope that all humanitarian help from Denmark, in any form, will stop to all the countries that are acting out against the Danish people in this matter.
Adwise: To all muslim people….your beef is with the NewsPaper NOT the danes. WHEN WILL YOU GET IT ???
January 31st, 2006 at 7:30 pm
Dani,
I’m not asking Danes to apologise in behalf of the newspaper, the newspaper has already apologised for itself. Along with their support for freedom of expression, I want Dane’s to show their rejection to incitement of racial hatred. I have nothing against any Dane in person but where are the mature Danes who know that surely offending other beliefs (not just Islam) is wrong!
January 31st, 2006 at 7:50 pm
Observer….I can answer that very easy and in only 3 words….”Freedom of speech”…thats the answer you will get from me, any mature Dane and every one else living in the Free western world.
Everyone is allowed there view and speak of it …..as long as you dont threaten other people.
You talk of respect …. where is the muslims respect towards the danes ??? We didnt print the cartoons and should therefor not answer to what the PRIVATE newspaper did. Why is it that everywhere there are muslim people there is trouble ??? I rest my case !
I read part of a translation of the quran and that part said at acording to islam you arent supose to attack people that dont threaten you , we the Danes dont threaten people. AGAIN your beef is with the PRIVATE Newspaper, NOT THE DANISH PEOPLE.
But the very bad way the muslim world are handlingen this matter does not help matters.
I have read many webpages about this matter and from what I read, the muslims dont have much support in the western world your reaction is beeing joked about all over the world, I dont think that its helping your matters a lot.
Enough is enough, we all heard you, NOW BACK OFF !!!
January 31st, 2006 at 8:07 pm
Dani,
I didn’t like the way you talked to me at the beginning although I am trying to be understanding and polite in everything I say that’s why I was really mad. The fact that Danish people have nothing to do with this, is right and that fact that our protest is with the news paper and not with Danish people is also true and believe me I don’t support these threats which are directed to Danish people because I know that for these drawings No one should be blamed but the newspaper. You are saying that you have nothing to do with these drawings it’s true but we need you also Not to support these actions since you are aware now that it hurts and humiliate other people ,we need here mutual understanding and respect for each other. And as I mentioned before I do not support any violent action against Danish people but kindly show us that you don’t support such actions in order not to be part of it in our eyes specially that you know now that it really hurts us ,and trust me our religion don’t urge us to do any violent actions against anybody on the contrary it urges us to treat people kindly and peacefully to convince them with our points of view and open there eyes to see the truth, and one last thing any religious issue is important to us and we can’t stay still when we see somebody mock at our prophet who we all consider as our guide ,teacher and a great example for all man kind. And when I say Not standing still I mean to protest and ask whoever made these drawings to apologize and I don’t mean threatening and committing violent action against anybody but we also expect some support from Danish people on how they don’t support such actions against our religion.
Peace
January 31st, 2006 at 8:26 pm
Today bomb-threats were made to the offices of Jyllandsposten in Aarhus and Copenhagen, resulting in a mass-evacuation from both localities. I do hope that the muslims behind such actions, as well as those who might consider taking real actions against Danes or Danish interests, realise that they will reap what they sow. Violence will surely be met with violence, and while not many Danes live in muslim countries, almost 200.000 muslims live in Denmark. So who do all you pious people think will be made to suffer if any Danes are hurt? I wouldn’t want to be a muslim in Denmark if muslims start killing Danes.
But that seems to be the biggest problem, muslims have less regard for human lives than they do for the “honour” of a dead prophet. In Christianity as well as in Judaism human life stands before all else. In Islam human life is worthless, and why wouldn’t it be, if all you know is dictatorships, extremist clergy and violent regimes I guess the disreard for human life comes naturally.
January 31st, 2006 at 8:38 pm
Nadia….Im glad to hear you dont support the threats on the Danes….although its still a fact its beeing done …this evening an english speaking man called in a bomb threat to two places in Denmark…see where all of this is going ???
Regardless of the Danes agree or not ….making threats and boycotting Denmark …for what the News Paper did is not the right way to get attention. When that is said…the voice of one Dane is not the voice of all danes. Im sure there are Danes, aswell as other people for and against the drawings. But its still a fact that the muslim reaction and actions towards the Danes in this matter is wrong.
Another fact is that the News Paper alread apoligised and the Danish Goverment also stated that the NewsPaper doesnt represent the view of the Danih goverment. But that is still not enough to the Muslim world and now the muslim world wants our queen to apoligise…do you see how far out all of this is getting ???
the only solution I see to all of this is that muslim needs to get the muslim world to back off, before this goes beond the “point of no return” that would be a very bad thing for everyone.
January 31st, 2006 at 9:09 pm
Today I learned that muslim rebels in Iraq have issued a Fatwa against the Danish troops who are there as Denmark’s contribution to the Coalition. This shouldn’t really surprise anyone, as the issuing of Fatwas seems to be the standard answer to anything the muslims don’t like.
In honour of this latest Fatwa I have taken it upon myself to issue a Fatwa of my own.
I hereby decree that due to my blatantly apparent moral and ethical superiority to the Islamic extremists the following orders shall be carried out.
All Danish companies shall hire muslims only to carry out the most demeaning and trivial of tasks, and only if such tasks are rewarded with a low salary.
All Danish Universities and places of higher learning shall only accept one in a hundred muslims, and let even fewer graduate.
The Danish Police and Danish Courts shall arrest and convict muslims in such a number as to make them disproportionately represented in the various crime statistics (Sometimes by a ratio so disproportionate that they will be more than 1000 times more likely to commit certain crimes than native Danes)
The Danish Population shall treat muslims with contempt wherever they encounter them, leaving them to feel isolated both socially and economically.
So let it be written, so let it be done. My every command shall be carried out.
Wow, my Fatwa is already working….
January 31st, 2006 at 9:25 pm
‘Ibrahim’
Please don’t start a religion comparison debate. The vast majority of muslims respect all other religions and have lived amongst other religions for a long long time. Regarding killing and the value of life..may I just ask you to reflect on human inflicted tragedies in the past 50 years and you’ll see that you can not pin point one religion to violence. Let us all promote peace and condemn agression and hatred. This is the only option we have anyway.
Dani,
I’m glad you agree that what the newspaper did to attract attention is wrong. That’s all what i wanted to hear. Only if more sensible Danes like you say the same. Regarding muslims reaction being out of proportion, I don’t think it would have become such an issue if the Danish prime minister didn’t wait long to condemn the drawings. Having said that, i can only hope that the whole matter will settle down quickly before reaching a no-turning point as you said.
January 31st, 2006 at 10:52 pm
Observer….To your information the Danish prime minister is not in a posistion to condem the drawings, what he did say and only are allowed to say is that the drawing does not reflect the opinion of the Danish goverment. To condem them is against “the freedom speech”. And he did that very early, but again a fact that the muslim world didnt read about or was misinformed about, like a lot in this matter.
This matter should have been handled internal in Denmark, and the muslims here should have settled for trying the matter in a Danish court.
I dont agree with the what the News Paper did …that is not the same as saying the News Paper was wrong, dont put words in my mouth. I would never display any religion like that, no matter what religion it is. I respect everyone as a person and judge them by there actions. And when that is said, the muslim people are, by there actions and reaction in this matter about to lose my respect. Like the respect of a lot of the people I know in Denmark and around the world. You (the muslims) have blown this WAY out of proportion and YOU need to undo it. You got the apology from the News Paper and the word from the goverment, now its YOUR time to show good faith.
For people that still dont get it …READ THIS (Written by a muslim):
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=21654
February 1st, 2006 at 12:15 am
hi all, danish, moslems and everyone else, for those whom not accepting to appologise we say we moslems re not allowed to draw our prophet mohammed peace be upon him, also your prophet peace be upon him, we re not allowed to draw any prophet, because we re not able to do this. let s stop talking about danish products and arab oil and all these stuff. for chritians i would like to say that a moslem is not becoming a moslem since he is not believing in jesus as well as all the other prophets.. why dont u respect our prophet as we do with urs.. if u have freedom to say and do what u want we moslems re not, bcos we have rules that we should follow and obey.. without hurting the others.. so plz for non moslems, do not think that we hate you.. we moslems have no right to say bad speech to u, we only say “god guides you to the right path” that s all.. so for moslems dont blame the other whatever he does..and for non moslems you all know what makes moslems upset of you, so respect us we respect you.
peace be with all of you
February 1st, 2006 at 12:21 am
hi all, danish, moslems and everyone else, for those whom not accepting to appologise we say we moslems re not allowed to draw our prophet mohammed peace be upon him, also your prophet peace be upon him, we re not allowed to draw any prophet, because we re not able to do this. let s stop talking about danish products and arab oil and all these stuff. for chritians i would like to say that a moslem is not becoming a moslem since he is not believing in jesus as well as all the other prophets.. why dont u respect our prophet as we do with urs.. if u have freedom to say and do what u want we moslems re not, bcos we have rules that we should follow and obey.. without hurting the others.. so plz for non moslems, do not think that we hate you.. we moslems have no right to say bad speech to u, we only say “god guides you to the right path” that s all.. so for moslems dont blame the other whatever he does..and for non moslems you all know what makes moslems upset of you, so respect us we respect you.
peace be with all of you
February 1st, 2006 at 1:32 am
To all the proud Danes, You don’t respect your religion, that’s your business. You cannot expect to disdain others’ religious beliefs and get away with it. And you won’t. That’s not a threat. It’s a fact. If Denmark, is more valuable to you than your God, this has two explanations. You are hypocrites for putting the cross across your falg, or you are simply lost souls to a miserable materialisitic existence. You reap what you sow
February 1st, 2006 at 2:22 am
Dear Nadia and all
Thank you for your reply.
I believe many Danes take great issue with the fact that you and others seem to demand that we (the Danish government and the Danish people) distance our self from a action that has not been done by us (ei. the Danish government and the Danish people). We will not be threaten to take a stand on something we (ei. the Danish government and the Danish people) did not initiate.
You have already read my cultural post – so I will not repeat my self.
But respect and tolerance must work both ways! And these cartoons was an internal Danish matter with no reference to the Muslim countries – we must be allowed to practice our freedom of expression inside our own borders. Just as Muslims must be allowed to practice their religioun accourting to their standards inside their countries.
As we do not wish to impose our freedom of expression to your country you should not try to impose your religious standards on us! – the latter is what is happening right now and that is no way to show respect and tolerance for another culture.
We are a people critical toward religion and we will not be submitting our self to religious standards that have no justification in our democracy.
Ps. I greatly distance my self from the post by Ibrahim contemplating that terror attacks might result in any harm to Muslims in Denmark – but I must also stress that any attacks on Danish citizens (non Muslim or Muslim) will not be tolerated. —- Now settle down —-
Pps. D.D. please don’t sink to the same low as some fanatic groups have done – I understand your anger toward this idiotic groups but they are out of reach - and being a positivist I’m sure to say that they find no support from anybody in this bloc.
February 1st, 2006 at 9:32 am
Moses …Thanks for displaying your ignorance on here. You are displaying that you still have no clue of what this is all about and apparently there is no hope of you getting the point.
All I can say to that is that I hope you dont go, live or buy any western things. If you dont like our values and laws then GO BACK HOME AND STAY THERE.
Is that simpel enough for you to understand ???
February 1st, 2006 at 12:38 pm
Another Dane have you completely lost your sense of humour? By your response to my post I almost get the impression that you have missed the entire point. The point being 1) nothing comes before the freedom of speech, 2) all fatwas are the result of brainless religious zealots and should be met with disdain. For gods sake get a grip, then get a sense of humour.
February 1st, 2006 at 3:05 pm
Now, would these here moronic muslims understand the concept of free speech? Not even in your dreams.
What happens if Iran becomes a nuclear power? Let´s not find out. Time for the Israelis to pay a visit.
February 1st, 2006 at 3:13 pm
D.D.
I read it as you were trying to be ironic I’m just not sure everybody else did – that’s why I wrote that post!
Hope you can understand that
Ps. You writing this post to me has made it very clear that you were ironic – nobody can be in doubt now – and that’s good
February 1st, 2006 at 3:50 pm
Seems, like German, French and Islandic newspapers also have printet all or some of the drawings, so will this result in a boycott of them too, or is this simply a chance to fight the west, going for the small kid in the yard.
February 1st, 2006 at 3:51 pm
Having scanned through these messages all i can see is that you are all going to further offend and aggravate one another so why not go and find another past time?
“Al Kaafirun; You shall have your religion and I shall have mine”
Zahra
February 1st, 2006 at 10:49 pm
hi all,
am back here bcos i ve seen some other kinds of confrontations, i told you once not to blame anybody, for moslems or non moslems. and i saw an issue here, some1 says that the moslems in europe must return to their home, i would say to those that europeans re also living in our counties for exemple come to morocco and see how many tourists here and also how many live here..how many enjoy moroccan life and weather, would u accept to make them back home to european countires where some of them may die of cold these days.. so think twice b4 u speak..we re not in the stoon age, you are all much educated so dont think so fool.
peace be with all here
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:10 am
Another Dane.
No harm, no foul. I get that you get it, and am pleased. Humour rules supreme.
Zahra.
Allow me to respond by quoting someone of infinitely greater intellect than the nobody you chose to quote.
Tennessee Williams:”Screw You!”
Who are you to tell anyone what to do and what not to do?
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:32 am
I learned a lot going through all the above (well, except few notes that probably came out of anger or hate
from both sides). As a Muslim, I’ll never stay quite for any insult to Profit Muhammad (PBUH). I’ll try all
peaceful means to defend my profit and tell the world what Islam is all about (no flag burning or
bomb threats or any thing else of this sort).
On the other hand, I if were a Dane, I’ll probably act the same way they did. From the Danes responses, Its
obvious that freedom of speech for them is above every thing else. I also understand their feelings when they
got mad seeing their flag burned in front of their eyes.
So here it is, two different backgrounds with different POV and strong arguments so what should we do?
I think we spent enough time arguing and its time to get something useful out of this thread. Can we please
stop firing at each other and re-direct the discussion into something positive. I’d love to hear your
thoughts on how to fix the current conflict and have a friendly relationship and mutual respect in the
future. Try to keep the other side in your mind when you come up with any suggestion. Only a win-win
solution would get us to a common background. I’ll save my comments to the end:)
February 2nd, 2006 at 6:46 am
The Danes are known to be the most racist of all the Europeans. I am not a Moslim or a religious person but this is bullshit. This was a deliberate provocation and act of HATE. Fuck them and their products.
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:35 pm
you say what i wanted to say fahad.. thank you and i wish the other side would think the same:)
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:13 pm
Marcus….what a perfect exsamble of how to display your studiness and that you have no clue of whats going on. But one thing I have to tell you …read the history and you’ll see how wrong you are. You have nothing to back up your stupid coment. Marcus….GO BACK TO SLEEP
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:50 pm
Fahad, xxx and Nadia